Hi All,

We're putting in a quick balance adjustment for this Alliance reset, and other servers as they reset.

1) Fast DR Type 1 will be REMOVED (obviously, this does not affect FFA)

That is to say, the 45 second DR that reduces special returns (population killed &etc) will no longer be in effect.
HOWEVER< Fast DR Type 2 (fast attacks resulting in higher attacker military losses) *WILL* still be in effect.

2) Restarts will be buffed again to make restarting better.
They will also attempt to take into account stonewalling efforts.

Restarts will now be in protection for ONLY 15 turns (Assuming the previous country played more than 85 turns).

Restarts will now receive 70% of their previous country, plus 0.02% for every defend, to a max of 95% (Total defends all reset by the dead country)

The items they will receive this percentage of are:
-land
-population
-pci
-money
-food
-oil
-buildings
-military units (YES spies, NO missiles)
-tech

These will each be subjected to the minimums that currently exist.



Additionally, stuff placed on market will be transferred to the new country, staying on market, with the same percentage aboved applied.


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INTENT:

With Fast DR, we were attempting to slow down kills to make it easier for players to respond to kills, so as to not have their work "wasted" by being killed without any chance to actually use their country to defend itself, and introducing a large delay in play because of restarting. This clearly did not work, as kills were nearly as fast, and just cost more resources for the attacker. With these changes, we have the same focus, but are approaching the problem from the opposite side. Rather than making kills more difficult, we're making restarting easier, and getting restarts out into the open faster, so that they can resume the fight almost immediately.

Incidentally, this plays well into the previous GS changes, which steal stuff from a country.

As always, your thoughts, comments, and suggestions are welcome below :)


Regards,

-qzjul & the EE Dev Team

The whole "skill" of having your phone beep so you can log in and wall is ridiculous and it's good it's gone but wow, with these new restart changes it seems like killing basically doesn't exist anymore. Imagine doing a GS kill on someone, it'd be so much work when doing about 20 ABs would probably hurt them more.

AGREED. THIS WOULD INDEED SEEM TO MAKE GS KILLS NEARLY WORTHLESS. BLOW ALL THE TURNS OF 5 OR 6 COUNTRIES TO REDUCE THE TARGET TO 80 OR 90 PERCENT OF HIS FORMER STRENGTH, OR WIPE OUT 50% OF HIS PRODUCTIVITY WITH ONE SMALLER COUNTRY RUNNING AB ON HIM.

IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THIS PLAYS OUT. IF IT CHANGES THE FACE OF EE WARFARE TO THE POINT WHERE CRIPPLING IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN KILLING, IT COULD ACTUALLY MAKE WARS MUCH LESS ONE DIMENSIONAL... RESULTING IN MORE THAN JUST ONE VIABLE STRATEGY FOR ENGAGING THE ENEMY.

How on earth will this encourage stonewalling?
With all due of respect qz but its better to die with 2 bil cash and start w 75% of that and be able to break at next wave then to wall abd spend all that money dying. Targetselection is now backwards, you will have to target players with no stock instead of people with stock in a FS.
The production decrease will still make crippling more effective then killing

AB/BR no kill FS:es here we come, i doubt we'll see a single tag kill next set...

ALSO, JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY..

IF A COUNTRY IS KILLED IN 300 HITS (AND HAD SUFFERED NO PREVIOUS HITS ALL RESET), THE RESTART WOULD RECEIVE 70% OF ITS PREVIOUS RESOURCES, PLUS ANOTHER (.0002 * 300)... OR 6% MORE.. RESTART HAS 76% OF THE FIRST COUNTRY'S RESOURCES. CORRECT?

Also if anything this will make early wars even more important, and not a single alliance likes early wars...

Except, GS actually steals stuff, as of a set or so ago remember?



Except, you do lose buildings if you get BR'd, and you do lose stock if you get GS'd. And if you're land killed...



Explain why it would be better to kill a target without stock than with?



CORRECT!



It cannot be true that *every* change makes early wars more important... You'll have to justify this one... Remember, fast DR type I is being removed, and *that* "made early wars more important"

What happens if you land kill someone?

Subject to minimums! They get the same land as they would normally have under the previous system. And no buildings.

I love Farmville

Is there a minimum for a restart's PCI? I know it's rare to die from that, but it can happen.

Min 20, since that is what you start with normally.

i'll AB your tractor into tomorrow ! ;)

So, say in 45 days someone wants to war us, and i have 750m bushels on the market an i get killed...i still get 750mil bushels or 70% of that?

70% of that

So 30% of that food disappears from the market?

Umm I personally think 70% is too high.

And you need to make population growth 3-4x slower so that GS kills are worth doing again. This means you also need to make BRs kill less % buildings and less % pop per hit. Way less.

For example, if I do about 30 GSes on a country (using more than 60 turns in the process), it only takes about 30 turns for that country to recover from the pop loss. Not only that, players have grown smart. Because production is now based on pop/maxpop, players have now set taxrate=70% to lower maxapop, until they are near maxpop and return it to 35%.

Perhaps for next set :)

The restart buff is far far too big. You can have a guy die 3 times and still be restarting as a breaker without the need for fa. With these changes an alliance could get essentially tag killed in a fs, and restart to win the "war". The ridiculousness of that should be obvious.

70% is INSANE

This just means LaF will stop winning wars in 2 days.

Anti-LaF change?

Booooo!

What in hell's name have you been smoking? 70%?

I think I am going to go and play neopets or make daisy chains. Everything fun about this game is slowly being taken away.

Usually you start from the bottom up, so trial ~40% and then raise it. You don't ruin a set by experimenting at 70%.

I'm in agreement about it being too high. Actually, it's so high that it completely changes the dynamic of warring.

Given that GS kills will be around 250-400 hits for most countries with the DR removed, you'd steal no more than 20% of the enemies goods with GS. A day 30-40 techer could easily have a powerfully stocked country with 500m busels on the market. If it dies it is still going to have 350m bushels to play with, which is usually more than enough stock to break anyone in the game.

ABing and then killing it is better than not doing anything, but in the grander scheme it will make later wars almost unconcludable if everyone remember to keep their stock on the market. This more than anything will push warring alliances to early war.

There is also the possibility of abuse here. A 70 member alliance could easily arrange something so that they could hit their top 5-10 breakers enough over the set to raise their total defends to the 95% threshold. That is a really scary thought.

I personally think that it should be set at a range more like 40% with the possibility of it rising to 50% depending on defends. Maybe this is even a bit too high... it'a still more than enough to make a restart useful, more than useful, but it is also enough of a pentalty to make an alliance want to kill it.

The logical evolution of this changes is "restart" button, so we dont need to create new country and just keep playing with old one.

Put a delay in the news feed for warring clans.
If country A is getting hit then his clan won't know for say 5 mins they won't be able contact him straight away for him to get online

I didn't even think of this...

sure, but then they die once, and their counter is reset.

and say you do that to 10 breakers.... that's 10-12k hits your alliance has to put out... where are you going to pull out those extra 10-12k hits?

I wasn't aware that the counter was reset, just read 'Total defends all reset' and assume it was for the person.

Still think 40-50% would make more sense.

Yes, please clarify... I also thought it was "total defends all reset"... so once you reached the 95% mark, you'd be there for all subsequent restarts?

counter gets reset when the country dies. Otherwise yeah that's totally bad:P

Total defends all reset by that country

should of left it like it was from E2025. You lot are ruining the game for people who love to war!

Can't you guys think outside the box?

Not every kill has to be a civ kill @_@.

It pretty much does unless DR and humanitarians are removed.

Please lower the 70% to something more realistic (like 30%).

There is very little reason to GS kill a country now, because AB/BRs can do much more damage than the 30% loss a restarting country will start with. In fact right now, killing a country doesn't even remove his unused turns, they get carried forward to his next country.

Is there a reason why after dropping most of my land, my military's readiness goes through the FLOOR when making a single attack?

you don't have enuf population to fill jets and tanks etc.

I think this makes suiciders way too effing strong. Getting 70% of EVERYTHING back means they can come back and start suiciding again in 1 day, instead of 4-5 to gear up and get ready again...

AB FS's are the way of the future!

I'm waiting for the day someone stocks 300m bushels, detags and spends 30m bushels to suicide on LaF, restarts with 189m bushels, uses 30m bushels to suicide again, restarts with 111m bushels, uses 30m bushels to suicide again, restarts with 56m bushels, uses another 30m bushels to suicide, restarts with another 18m bushels and finally suicides again.

The limiting factor is probably turn count, but unspent turns always carries forward to your next restart, so... yeah.

You just gave them an idea

and now with just being to get oop after 15 turns, you can suicide once every 2 day instead of needing to spend 99 turns then store turns for the suicide again

i swear the development team never look at their changes for exploits

Perhaps changes should be made known to a wider group of people for exploit-hunting before actually implementing them? Hehe! It isn't too difficult to make a new private subforum, and add a few extra eyes to it.

A lot of changes use to be discussed on the game dev board, but basically all the recent changes have been kept among a select few

I wonder, is any alliance in favour of this?

Pull the fluffing plug already.

This is already annoying in team. GS is made completely worthless.

Maybe bump up the returns of GS, or reduce the restart benefits?

Nice to see this already being abused.