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egersh

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Jan 20th 2014, 20:58:38

http://i.imgur.com/wXjJ1KF.png

As you can see, I should be getting 520,000 bushels per turn, but I am instead getting 475,000 bushels each turn, almost 10% less than expected.

I had this happen on 126 turns of cashing yesterday, and it's still there.

Edited By: qzjul on Jan 22nd 2014, 18:19:19
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Jan 20th 2014, 21:20:08

Production of spies drops the net bushels per turn I suspect.
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Jan 20th 2014, 21:23:54

I forgot to say, the picture is from the Alliance server. This is also happening on all my countries in FFA, but the percentage it's off by varies between 5-20%. It's always less than expected, never more.

The only server I have a country on where this isn't happening in the Tournament server.

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Jan 20th 2014, 21:25:02

I'm producing 125 spies per turn, hardly enough to make up a 45,000 PER TURN bushel shortfall.

I'll also add that my FFA countries produce no military whatsoever per turn.

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Jan 20th 2014, 21:49:20

decay eats your bushels since you have that much bushels in hand. keep bushels in hand under 1.5m to keep decay at minimum.
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Jan 20th 2014, 21:52:18

So every 3 turns I've got to put them on the market? Really?

On FFA I had ~100-200k bushels on hand for most accounts, and they were still short. ALL of them.

What is the formula for decay?

EDIT: So I've now confirmed what Marshal said. Every ~500,000 bushels on hand means ~500 less bushels produced per turn, even if you have 50,000 on hand, you will produce 50 less.

Is this really how decay is supposed to work? I thought it was beyond a certain threshold that things start to decay, like with cash. Money doesn't decay all the time, only over 2 billion dollars.

At least I think so?

Edited By: egersh on Jan 20th 2014, 22:01:01
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Jan 20th 2014, 22:11:57

Wow... Can you post a screenshot of advisor page with name and country # blured out?
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Jan 20th 2014, 22:12:52

Originally posted by KoHeartsGPA:
Wow... Can you post a screenshot of advisor page with name and country # blured out?


I'm not even sure its ok to do so here :-(
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Jan 20th 2014, 22:45:31

Originally posted by egersh:
So every 3 turns I've got to put them on the market? Really?

On FFA I had ~100-200k bushels on hand for most accounts, and they were still short. ALL of them.

What is the formula for decay?

EDIT: So I've now confirmed what Marshal said. Every ~500,000 bushels on hand means ~500 less bushels produced per turn, even if you have 50,000 on hand, you will produce 50 less.

Is this really how decay is supposed to work? I thought it was beyond a certain threshold that things start to decay, like with cash. Money doesn't decay all the time, only over 2 billion dollars.

At least I think so?


Money decays at 0.1% for the portion of money above 2b. All food decays at 0.1% if it isn't on the market. 0.1% is equal to 1 in 1000. Decay occurs after adding income and production that turn.

Decay (of both food and money) can be reduced with the -corruption bonus. At -100% of this bonus, decay is 0%, as expected.

For a farmer, you ideally want to put food on the market, if the additional cashing income that turn is equal or less than the decay of food incurred that turn (you spend the turn to store on market instead of Cashing). This tends to work out to be roughly every X turns, where X is equal to (go work it out yourself). Usually about ~10 turns.

Edited By: Xinhuan on Jan 20th 2014, 22:48:08
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Jan 20th 2014, 22:48:04

Here is from FFA:

http://i.imgur.com/sDOYeu1.png

^^ Even with 0 bushels on hand, I am getting less than expected from one turn.

Here is my full advisor: http://i.imgur.com/W98y9nD.png

Here, I run 5 turns and if you do the math, you can see it is short: http://i.imgur.com/bSyBgFJ.png

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Jan 20th 2014, 22:49:49

But Xinhuan, even with 0 bushels on hand, I am still getting less than expected. Is this really how it's supposed to work?

If someone has the food decay formula, I'd really appreciate it...

Edited By: egersh on Jan 20th 2014, 22:53:42
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Jan 20th 2014, 23:07:12

Turn X -> Turn X+1: (Food on hand + production - consumption)*0.999 = food on hand next turn (round to nearest integer)

Turn 0 -> Turn 1: (0+30601-1134)*0.999 = 29437 food
Turn 1 -> Turn 2: (29437+30601-1134)*0.999 = 58846 food
Turn 2 -> Turn 3: (58846+30601-1134)*0.999 = 88225 food
Turn 3 -> Turn 4: (88225+30601-1134)*0.999 = 117574 food
Turn 4 -> Turn 5: (117574+30601-1134)*0.999 = 146894 food

Screenshot shows 146894. Don't see a problem?
Food consumption displayed DOES NOT include food decay.
Note that money upkeep displayed INCLUDES money decay (for the portion above 2b).

Edited By: Xinhuan on Jan 20th 2014, 23:10:28
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Jan 21st 2014, 0:20:21

i wish xin had been my high school math teacher. then i might have learned something :(

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Jan 21st 2014, 1:28:18

HIDDEN BUSHEL EATING MONSTER NAMED DECAY
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Jan 21st 2014, 1:34:29

I guess I thought this only kicked in after a certain amount of bushels was reached. Oops!

Thanks for the explanation, Xin.

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Jan 21st 2014, 4:10:32

Xin is DA man!
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