MAX(10, Defender_Acres*MIN(1.5,MAX(.5,(Defender_NW/Attacker_NW)/2))*30/(250+ETPA)*Current_DR_system

ETPA stands for effective turrets per acre... so basically defense standardized to turrets.

I dislike piecewise formulas (and almost thought about suggesting a new formula but maybe that will be another post... I think they are pretty good though so I'll leave them be) so I have altered the way NW affects targets.. uphitting has a maximum benefit of 150% at 1/3 the targets size... bottom feeding has a maximum penalty of 50% at 4 times the target's size. These alterations are relative to 30/(250+ETPA) which is .06 at ETPA=250 (so 250 turrets/acre defense). That is something I consider to be empirically reasonable defense and would have the maximum and minimum gains (without DR modifications) be 9% and 3% respectively.

This allows for mostly the same mechanics as now but makes countries that are more heavily defended relatively speaking have fewer losses and those with sparser defenses lose more. This should largely help defense heavy small countries who get farmed despite quite large defensive numbers.

Basically, I think Earth died and this game might because it the environment was/is too hostile to new players. You get farmed to nothing if you aren't in a top alliance. There need to be more in-game protections that make it not worthwhile to farm countries into nothing because over 12 years the politics have proven to systematically farm people out of the game.

Thoughts?

I want to hit top alliances
just change the retalliation policies.

Easier said than done. I do think it would be in the best interest of alliances to get in grabbing wars... particularly with ghost acres as they are... land trading should be extremely lucrative...

beh, I been trying to change those policies for years, bending all the rules I can and creating FA havoc.

If it isn't FA endorsed then it isn't changing anything... one lone voice isn't enough unless it snowballs into a lot...

You're missing a ')'.

Fair point, except I was missing two ;)

MAX(10, Defender_Acres*MIN(1.5,MAX(.5,(Defender_NW/Attacker_NW)/2)))*30/(250+ETPA)*Current_DR_system)

Count from left to right. Now you have one extra ')'.

I count 5 each way.

MAX
(
    10, Defender_Acres*MIN
    (
        1.5,MAX
        (
            .5,
            (
                Defender_NW/Attacker_NW
            )
            /2
        )
    )
)
*30/
(
    250+ETPA
)
*Current_DR_system

) ???

i dont think guys mind losing
they know that it takes a while to learn any worthwhile game
guys mind getting cheated
a lot and they wont play games where cheaters prosper
just that simple

[quote poster=qzjul]

MAX
(
    10, Defender_Acres*MIN
    (
        1.5,MAX
        (
            .5,
            (
                Defender_NW/Attacker_NW
            )
            /2
        )
    )
)
*30/
(
    250+ETPA
)
*Current_DR_system

) ???

[/quote]

ok, I clearly can't count.

MAX(10, Defender_Acres*MIN(1.5,MAX(.5,((Defender_NW/Attacker_NW)/2)))*30/(250+ETPA)*Current_DR_system)


That *should* be right

yeah I know detmer...
I know.

With Recall, and the new ghostland, I'm wondering if we get get a crazy grabfest going on late game just to build up the private market.

In the last week/end, everyone sells up military and chucks goods on market, recalling before they come back, and everyone farms everyone to 100k.

"just to build up the private market"

you could also stay logged out for an extra day....

Not replenishment, but I guess you'll get a greater replenishment per day. 100k is what about 50mil start and 20-30mil NW a day to spend your stockpile on? Rather than an ever increasing public market.

Also means you could stockpile slightly longer.
Recall is so powerful.

I only see that being a valid scenario if you forget to destock until really late so you need to blow your entire stock in like two days and you quadruple your acreage to jump as a plain theo - or something along those lines. Increasing your acreage like that increases your private market costs way too much to be an effective mbr jump.

Yup exactly, if there is a way to reach 100k acres with DR'd opponents taken into account, you could get another 200mil bushels, increase your private market to 65 mil units.
And not compete on the public which could clear out.

Although that could potentially change the entire endgame landscape.

Casual warring. War the way clans do, burns us out. No one is really interested. Need to figure a more casual warring system I think.