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Detmer Game profile

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Feb 20th 2012, 21:35:14

Just the same percentage of at-home goods as you lose during a revolution. During the destruction of 14+% of your buildings you probably lose 14+% of your market records as well. I see no reason why goods should be protected on the market from a game mechanics stand point and this would make it so people are more likely to destock as the government they played as, rather than just giving you the same choices as ever to destock.

Marshal Game profile

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Feb 20th 2012, 22:12:18

not many will support this and that would put other strats which convert to tmbr on disadvantage.
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Detmer Game profile

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Feb 21st 2012, 3:58:03

Originally posted by Marshal:
not many will support this and that would put other strats which convert to tmbr on disadvantage.


What strats don't convert to HMBR already? Some demos... some don't go MBR but just go theo... Demo, Theo, or HMBR is not really a huge variety and lends credence to the notion that the mechanism there is overpowered.

I'd like to hear someone like enshula, Rockman, or Tertius weigh in on this.

highrock Game profile

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Feb 21st 2012, 4:51:54

This would kill the theo or TMBR destocks and everybody would play and destock demo.
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Detmer Game profile

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Feb 21st 2012, 14:04:44

Originally posted by highrock:
This would kill the theo or TMBR destocks and everybody would play and destock demo.


I am not sure why theo destocks are sacred. If everyone would truly play demo all round that would be an issue, but I think that is improbable. I could definitely see everyone going demo before the lamentable behavior of stocking...

highrock Game profile

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Feb 21st 2012, 16:10:09

yea so basically there would only be two endgame finishes, demo or DMBR. i'm not sure that would be good for the game.
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Detmer Game profile

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Feb 21st 2012, 16:38:31

Originally posted by highrock:
yea so basically there would only be two endgame finishes, demo or DMBR. i'm not sure that would be good for the game.


Yeah, without making a slough of changes I have decided that this doesn't accomplish what I would like it to. While changing demo to accompany this could be a solution, it is needlessly complicated for something that isn't a major issue. This would further serve to make hitting people unawares overpowered so I revoke this suggestion =P

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Feb 25th 2012, 5:13:07

To be fair, there is always a balance. On non-alliance servers, jumping entirely off the public is viable regardless of government type (typically because there is less total NW gained in the last days). Going demo and losing 14% of your stock isn't too bad of a deal, you'd still get 0% market commissions and if you resell for even 2% it's worthwhile (though, most will lose way more, like 18%+). In general, people would need to make new calculations to see what is best, but going TMBR would still be reasonable with the right stock/land (but at a higher ratio than in the past), and it would weaken those with large land who stock late and would typically go no-MB theo.

It's hard to imagine how much of a load this would place on the public market, since it seems the standard destock is still TMBR, and while it would in general strengthen all set demos (farmer/casher/techer) it wouldn't be that devastating if more people go demo and the rest do a similar public destock (without end game conversion) over the same longer periods TMBRs would spend jumping (when prices are typically quite low on the public market).

It would definitely disrupt the usual patterns, but I disagree that there would only be demo finishes. Theo/casher is already fairly powerful at high land values and land-trading dicts would just stay dict. Prices are more or less mediated by private market defaults up until the very last day, but market supply and demand will align eventually (even if it takes a few sets for everyone to figure it out). Overall, NW's might decrease, but I think you would definitely see more variety of finishing governments for netters, though it is plausible that many of the top netters would still be demo. Unfortunately, this would make the C/I destock even more powerful (relatively) on non-alliance servers, and for that reason alone this seems like it could be a bad idea. Just my first thoughts.