Israel attacks Gaza aid fleet

http://english.aljazeera.net/...5/201053133047995359.html

Somali pirates only take over one ship at a time. Israeli pirates take over a whole flotilla.

The main difference is, Somalis don't normally kill people with their piracy.

Holy crap...

i vote that threads like this be deleted and encourage people not to post their politics on here from any view point.

i second Heston. this is a game and the forum should be game-related. for politics / sales / porn / whatever else you may think of we have other places

I vote you two stop whining.

AT has always allowed this sort of stuff.

Anyways, it's the end of the set and there's not much game-related going on.

yea, because aljazeera isn't going to write a bias into the news article, right?
fluffing jews, good for nothing theiving murderers. I have an idea, wipe them off the planet, and leave them no land to live on.

Yeah must be gayrab propaganda no way the brave Israelis would ever consider doing anything so inhumane!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/.../middle_east/10195838.stm
http://edition.cnn.com/...protest/index.html?hpt=T1
http://www.nytimes.com/...illa.html?ref=global-home

You blockade run (edit to add run) and and attack with live fire... and the isrealis are the problem?

blockade runnning isn't something you should do often, as you often get fired upon. are they new to this whole water and boat thing?

""During the incident the soldier's lives were in danger," said a statement from the Israel Defense Forces. "They were attacked with severe physical violence, including live fire, weapons, knives and clubs.""

Sounds like non isreali's might have taken a serious role in this whole fiasco. But fluff the jews, it's their fault, lets burn them over in poland somewhere?

and aljazeeraz, and those honorable gayrabs, as you so eloquently put it, amanaged to neglect to throw in this little quote, from, gosh darn it, a real live jew

"They wanted to make a political statement. They wanted violence," according to Regev, who said Israel wanted a peaceful interception of the ships trying to break Israel's blockade of Gaza. "They are directly responsible for the violence and the deaths that occurred.""

Uh oh, maybe aljazeera with a little of that bias i was hinting towards? like, lets go read Isreali morning newspapers, they'd be honest, wouldn't they?

(wow i fluffed that up, sorry, lets see if ic an't make it readable again :P)

and I just love how you quote and reject the aljazeera bias, but you the leave alone the wipe them off the planet and take their land... i can see the problem with that statement that really bothers you

Haaretz is actually fairly honest, yes.

Braden, you don't know a THING about Al Jazeera. You only hate it because you fear what you don't understand.

Anyways, you are quoting REGEV?? LOL

Dude, he's the Spokesman for Israel. Funny how you left out that little bit of the little bit that was left out.

Anyways, let's assume that those on the boat DID use extreme violence against the Israelis.

Good. That's what you get for trespassing on private property in international waters. You know what that's called? It's called PIRACY. Yes, Israelis are now no better than Somali pirates--except Somali pirates try to minimize killing instead of rappelling down from helicopters onto boats with live ammunition loaded.

Hey Braden. You want to know why the world hates Israel? Go read the article. (PRO-TIP HINT: It's not because Israel is mostly Jewish)

i have to go to work tan, but we shall continue this after :)

you call it piracy, to enforce blockades... I call it just as illegal to run blockades. You can't know full well you're going to have something happen, and then do everything you can to make it happen, and then turn around and blame somebody else, for having it happen.

I read the al jazeera article before pirate posted any of the other ones, and my first quote is from that article. the second one, from cnn that pontious posted. What one did I miss?

Trespassing on private property is cause for lethal force against you? I will remember than, when Arabs are shot dead on isreali soil, by the terrorsists that are the isreali defense forces.

This isn't piracy. Piracy is a term that only applies in the absence of a sanctioning nation-state.

That's not a comment on whether or not the Israeli actions were justifiable. I simply see no reason to use incorrect terminology in referring to this event.

-Fooglmog
Guy with no clue.

Gaza isn't a nation-state and isn't recognized as one. This took place in international waters. It seems to fit the definition of the International Maritime Bureau's description of piracy.

But since it's a contentious issue on what to name it, I'll capitulate and stop calling it "piracy".

Regardless, it's a criminal act, and even the EU has called for Gaza's borders to be opened.




Trespassing on private property by rappelling down from a helicopter with guns? Of COURSE it's grounds for lethal force! What did Israel expect to happen?

This is, of course, assuming that the Israeli version of stories is correct (which it usually isn't), and totally discounting civilian accounts of what happened.

But I guess anyone who supports Palestine is a liar and only Israelis tell the truth. Why don't you keep quoting your hero, the official Spokesman for Israel, Mark Regev?

Another protagonist anti-Israeli thread from TAN where he ends up telling everyone they know nothing about Arabs because they're not one......go figger....

"Gaza isn't a nation-state and isn't recognized as one."

not strictly correct, TAN - Gaza is still part of Palestine, despite having been taken over by Hamas in the coup of 2007

i wonder what happened to the mutual defence pact israel had with turkey and where this leaves it

difficult to understand why turkey would even allow this shipment on turkish-flagged ships whilst KNOWING that israel would not allow it to pass

a very sad state of affairs from all perspectives :<

Who's talking about Arabs? Actually, when have I ever talked about Arabs in any serious context? If we actually want to talk about Arabs, I can tell you how fluff they are and how much the governments are twisted and corrupt.

But since you like to troll and make fluff up, be my guest.

Hai gais! This thread is srs bznz.

Alexander will be along shortly to cut the knot in all your panties.

doesn't everyone take aljazeera as gospel?
It HAS to be true...

I don't trust anything written by the middle east!

TAN is a pirate.

And my socks are pink.

That's all i have on this subject.

somalian pirates suffered the ultimate shame/humiliation already, when they got pwned by that french naval vessel!! FRENCH!!! FFRREENNCCHHHHH!!!

i rest my case

What about Mexican pirates?

http://sports.espn.go.com/...ing/news/story?id=5207299

Lets not forget about the Mexicans.

EDIT: And yes I get all my news from ESPN!

interesting but falacious reasoning.
Running a naval blockade usually gets you killed.
Or in the case of the soviets.. nearly starts ww3.

The problem is that there is no agreement on what "international waters" vs "sovereign waters" is in the mediteranian, nor has there ever been (this doesn't just relate to israel but may other countries who I won't list).


You try to do this to any country and the results would be similar.

Anyway politics are typically allowed on these boards as long as they don't degenerate into personal attacks on individuals

And all I have to say is that you need more fluff

and long may the fluff roll

All discussions on where the convoy was headed, if Gaza is a state or not etc, is of littel interest.

Israel borded ships, sailing under other countrys flags (the only country that is allowed to intervene in international waters, is the country of wich the ship sails under) in International waters, had the Israeli navy (or army/airforce, i havet seen any sources on what unit acctualy carried out the boarding, but thats a minor fact only of interest to military geeks like me) boarded the ships in their territorial area, it would be different, but they decided to preempt.

Can you arrest someone for intent ? yes, in your own country , you can, but with this, they are faced with inter-country laws/international laws, then again, the Israeli military is not known for NOT pulling stuff they aret supposed to, just look at all the assasinations mossad pulled off in past (even disregard the last big one), one of the cases i renmber best, is from Norway (because im Norwegian :P ) under the winter olympics in 1973, where they executed a innocent man (a waiter) on the street, because they thought he was Ali Hassan Salameh, but im getting sidetracked.

Israel broke _several_ other countrys sovereignty, by boarding them, in _international_ waters.

Israel is claiming selfdefense, this is void , because they left their own territorial waters, to go out and meet this fleet, head on. (what happened on the ships, is another mather, but Israel, is the aggressor)

Epic fail from their PR advisors, had they atleast waited for the fleet to enter Israeli territorial waters, alot of people wouldt react like they do.

They may have won the battel, but they just lost the war.

Here is some nice footage of palastinians celebrating in the street after 9-11. fluff 'em.

http://www.youtube.com/...YJMvU&feature=related

Nations have interests not friends, Palestine is not in Isreal's best interest and Isreal has a Navy.

http://www.ynetnews.com/.../0,7340,L-3896796,00.html
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3L7OV414Kk

++troll factor 1000000000000000000000!
:P

ok I've had enough.. there are more interesting things going on in the world.

Let's take this to General Talk...

I doubt you will find that many democracies doing a blockade on their own citizens, though. :P

why the fark was this thread moved to general talk when discussing politics on AT is perfectly normal?

move the thread back, plz. i don't like checking multiple forums, especially when there is no need.

Eric: at this point in time this is true. Note that Gaza is not part of israel, nor is it administered by it.

really? is it a sovereign nation? no-man`s land or what? I mean it in Israels vision.

if you tell me it is a black hole where no one has no right, like Guantanamo supposedly was under the Bush administration, ima lulz, btw. :P

being self-governed isn`t the same as being a sovereign (and recognized) nation, btw.

further, I doubt that you can find a democratic nation that is really democratic that blockades their own citizens for years and years. It is an oxymoron, martian. On the other hand, you do know history a lot. :)

uh oh, i forgot where this thread was, i couldn't find it last night after work.
back to six am :P

i don't know where you get the idea i hate anybody?
i don't like my neighbour, but i don't kill anybody because of it.
Until you two, both sides, both full of idiots and both full of innocent by standers, until you two both can do the same thing, i say good riddance to every single one of you who dies. jews, pontious pirates' lovely gayrabs, i do not care. you make, not you specifically tan, but the idiots involved in this skirmish make the world everybody else lives in peacefully, they make the world worse off for us, worse for you and me, two people who want to live their life with no hatred, evil, death or war... but if wishes were horses, we'd all be eating steaks right now (thank you jayne cobb for that lovely piece of advice :P)

quite frankly, they can both kill each other, wipe each other off the planet, leaving peace for the people who can live beside somebody, not particularly like them, and not bomb a farmers market because of it.

i will read and catch up today after work, much to the chagrin of a lot of you, i'd imagine ;)

ah, the thread had been moved, i see.

"Trespassing on private property by rappelling down from a helicopter with guns? Of COURSE it's grounds for lethal force! What did Israel expect to happen?"

Oh yea? That is grounds for lethal force? So is blockade running since forever. You were wrong first. You act, Isreal reacts, then you yell and scream because you're the racist.

"This is, of course, assuming that the Israeli version of stories is correct (which it usually isn't), and totally discounting civilian accounts of what happened."

This is assuming the civilian accounts aren't lies and biased... are they, by chance, anti isreal in any sense civilians?

"But I guess anyone who supports Palestine is a liar and only Israelis tell the truth. Why don't you keep quoting your hero, the official Spokesman for Israel, Mark Regev?"

I guess anybody who supports isreal is a liar and only palestine tells the truth?
I have never heard of Regev before that quote. I know my favourite idols are the ones i know literally nothing about. You tell me his first name is Mark? Oh sorry, my hero. Step aside, Batman, you've been ousted by a highly hasidic man.
What, like orange juice?
No, that's highly acidic, there's a difference.
Are oranges kosher? What if the orchard is beside a pig farm?

"Who's talking about Arabs? Actually, when have I ever talked about Arabs in any serious context? If we actually want to talk about Arabs, I can tell you how fluff they are and how much the governments are twisted and corrupt."

Racist and inflammatory, I demand the moderators moderate. I am not joking. If I get called a racist every time I maybe think Isreal might not be the only people who did wrong in any certain situation, then this has to be taken care of. I like to maybe make fun of jim crow laws (and insult the people who think the civil war was fought over slavery) and i love to borrow Pontious Pirates' gayrabs reference, but his was actually prefaced by hate, and not by some weird incomprehensible sense of humour.

But, I am a drug addict and I'm a racist, and I have little to no education, so belittle me as you will
as i said above, you can both kill each other, it leaves more room for me on this planet, to live in peace, alive. while addicted to drugs.

Israel's blockade isn't even legal. I won't bother providing a source or any argument, since international law is typically governed by the UN, and they've already called it illegal.

Oh wait. The UN is anti-Semitic, I forgot. Well then I guess Israel can just make up whatever rules it wants, in that case.

Doesn't matter in either case, because no matter what I say, you've already made up your mind that it is, in fact, illegal (along with boarding a Turkish ship in international waters, which is tantamount casus belli for war--if Turkey had the balls).



I give up. You win. Dozens of civilian witnesses are all coordinating liars, while the SPOKESMAN for Israel is honest and is obviously going to tell the truth about everything.

You win this won.

*rolls eyes*



Quoting the official Israeli spokesman isn't exactly a credible source. Why don't you try quoting people who were actually involved. Oh wait sorry I forgot they are ALL liars. Only Israelis tell the truth.



When have I ever called you racist? You may be ignorant and insanely biased, which I might have mentioned before. Hell, you really could be racist for all I know. But I don't recall calling you that (although it is possible I have).

Anyways, I am Arab, I've lived in the Middle East in a Wahabi country for the past 4 years, and I understand the culture.

It's backwards. All the leaders are corrupt. ALL of them are corrupt, dictatorial and egotistical. Arab society is not ready for the 21st century.

Don't believe me? Come live here for awhile, or stfu. (by "here", i mean come visit and base yourself out of the Middle East, and travel around the different countries and see for yourself--you don't have to take my word for it)

Now let it not be said that I never criticize my own culture. It's chauvinistic, corrupt and aside from a few gold nuggets (like food and music), detestable.

go there? i don't have to, i live in a wonderful country, where they come to me.

Isreals blockade isn't legal? Cuba said the same thing.

Turkish balls went away with the Greek people who wanted to fondle them.

German civillians, thousands of them, swore up and down they had no idea what was happening. Lets all focus on the civilian accounts for facts!

Go ask a police officer how useful an eye witness is.

Did isreal do wrong? Yes. Did whoever was on the boat do wrong? Yes. So lets, because isreal is the devil, put all the blame on isreal

you over think what i post... you think i defend isreal... isreal is wrong, but so the fluff are the idiots on your side.

Both sides, or the people in uganda, or the people in the falklands or the people in chechnya in the 80s, all of you have no right to make my world less peaceful to live in. You can't live peacefully beside somebody? Cry me a fluffing river, go kill each other, neither of you deserve the land, when you're both dead, somebody who wants to live, in peace, will come and farm the fluffing sand.

If anybody in real life heard you call me pro isreal, and not a less than politically correct when it to comes to the jewish people in toronto, they would laugh in your face and tell you you have no idea what you're talking about.

...and now we all know why I moved this thread, along with many similar threads, to GT. AT has more than enough activity without pointless troll/political threads festering amongst alliance-based threads.

Besides, GT needs more activity. Enjoy.

NukEvil, that is lame.

I'm not checking this forum anymore. Enjoy.

So this means you won't be posting anymore of these anti-Israel, pro-Muslim/Arab troll threads?


That's nice to know.

I can confirm that braden hates many peoples in toronto!!!:P

they are all against him!!


*runs off*

the more piracy the better.

It means that global warming is on the decline~!! YAY

*praise be to the great spaghetti monster and his noodly appendages*

hey DL, wanna get touched by my noodly appendage? ;)