Good, Bad, Ugly?

Hi Red X. I'm happy with the set so far! Everything on Primary server is hunky-dory atm. Time for the market to start changing I think... we'll see how it behaves this time around.

Wondering about the new DR and if it'll be unveiled for next set and how I'll handle it.

New Dr? I gotta start paying more attention around here.

here, see what sense you can make of it :)

Implement Half-Life DR using 72 hour news
    a) Half life of 18 hours * Relative Hit Strength, minimum of 12 hours, maximum of 24 hours (see d for EXPRESS)
        i) ex1. If you hit with an attacking force of 110% of a targets defence, the half-life is 19.8 hours
        ii) ex2. If you fail with 90% the halflife is 16.2
    b) Continuous DR formula: DR_MULTIPLIER = DR_HITS<13 ? MIN( 1, 0.1+((DR_HITS-13)^2)/135) : 0.1
        i) This is a simple smoothed approximation of the existing DR schedule
    c) Hits older than 72 hours are IGNORED
        i) With the exception of ALL-SET COUNTRY:COUNTRY DR, which is calculated with a 168 hour halflife (1 week)
    d) EXPRESS HALF LIFE IS DIFFERENT:
        i) 8 hour half-life (base) for Express (min 6, max 12); 72 hour ALL-SET COUNTRY:COUNTRY DR halflife
    e) Reintroducing the 1/10th chance hits for specials
        i) These was only removed for performance reasons in the past

EXAMPLE OF NUMBER 3

	
Hit Time (hours ago)		DR, assuming 110% oversend
0.1				0.9965053771
0.1				0.9965053771
0.1				0.9965053771
9				0.7297400528
9				0.7297400528
12				0.6569882136
12				0.6569882136
12				0.6569882136
12				0.6569882136
24				0.4316335128
24				0.4316335128
24				0.4316335128
24				0.4316335128
36				0.2835781305
36				0.2835781305
36				0.2835781305
48				0.1863074894
48				0.1863074894
48				0.1863074894
48				0.1863074894
54				0.1510111806
54				0.1510111806
54				0.1510111806
54				0.1510111806
54				0.1510111806
72				0.0804165561
72				0.0804165561
72				0.0804165561
72				0.0804165561
TOTAL:				11.48

So, currently this would be 9 DR, but now it is 10.76.

Alternately, if you are in war, and survived a KR with 100 hits 72 hours ago where attackers were sending more than 133% of the break, with no hits since, you would be at 12.5 DR still, assuming you'd made no hits. Your attacking would reduce those, again based on time.

i need beer... to better understand the maths above.. helps me visualise.

wtf. Xinhuan, explain. thx.

it's gonna get so complicated... How the hell would we know what did other people send to break your target.. So we wouldn't know exactly when would people get out of Dr? it means no more camping for targets?

will eestats be able to keep up with this new formula? I don't think so because it doesn't extract the break from the attacks.. lol I wonder what's gonna happen with 1a since camping works there most of the time..

as for express.. Dr resets every 8 hours if i'm reading it right?

8 hours is the base, but since people send 110% then I guess 8.8 hours, yeah. But it could be 12. But this isn't going to happen next Express set, not sure when it will happen.

I doubt Bore updates eestats. I wonder if anyone will update Earthgraphs. It could give an estimate based on 110% oversends for all successes, and 90% undersends for all fails. Otherwise you'll be stuck trying to add up the DRs from all the hits for the last 72 hours yourself.

why is qzjul changing DR?

How is 72 hours related to the changes? since maximum is 24 hours no matter how much you over send.

maximum HALF-LIFE. DR will not go away entirely for 72 hours.

qz wants to smooth the duration of DR out instead of having it go from 10 to 0 in one moment.

lol, still dont understand.

Half-life (t½) is the amount of time required for a quantity to fall to half its value as measured at the beginning of the time period.

country A LGs twice country B with 110% oversend, country B is 'awarded' with 19.8hr at DR 2, what happens after 20 hrs? it drops to 1?

Yeah after 20 hours the 2 DR would be 1, after 40 hours the 1 DR would be 0.5, after 60 hours the 0.5 DR would be 0.25, after 72 hours it would be erased. So DR counters will now include 3 days worth of attacks. If the attacks are 71.9 hours old that's probably still 0.15 DR or so still remaining of the original 2 DR.

lol.. we r gonna need some tools for calculating Dr now. it is stupid that this change is brought to servers like primary. the usual 15 mins we spend on primary now is gonna take us 45 mins now.

Yeah this is another change Primary doesn't really need. Might make it too difficult to know who to hit.

qzjul did say he might reveal DR information in some kind of spy op... but that means you have to have already spied on the country.

If I find a really good target I'm gonna oversend by 50% and fluffblock everyone

That's what I was thinking blid. Just oversend by a ton for fat countries and block everyone for days. Come back and do it again a few days later. Also what if a country has 0 D? Isn't it automatically an infinite over send?

Well the max half-life is 24 hrs, so any hits on a 0 def country would I guess just have a 24 hr half-life. That's not that different from 18 hours really.

But when you say "come back again and do it a few days later," that's kind of what this change is put in to eliminate. For example, say a guy abandoned his country and you hit him 6x. You can't come back on the next day at just the right time and hit 6 more times. Because attacking at 20:58 will give basically the same returns as hitting at 20:55 which will give basically the same returns as 20:45 etc etc etc. so basically people will just hit whenever they feel like it.

But what h2o says is what I mentioned in the announcement thread - this could make it a major pain to find targets. If it makes it take 30 minutes a day to make your attacks then that's a problem. There needs to be some site somewhere that will display the new "estimated" DR totals automatically or we're kinda screwed.

I understand and potentially like the idea of DR slowly decaying. Not sure I understand the amount of DR being due to the amount sent. Seems strange!

As best I can tell that part is designed with the specific intention to muddy the waters.

I was a math major and my head is hurting.

If DR will last 72 hours and stack, aren't we basically forced to get shiet returns from the first time the target gets grabbed onwards? >.>

I mean, given the amount of countries bottom-feeding it will be impossible to find a country that doesn't have a huge DR?

Edited for accuracy (lol)

Yeah, I think land totals will be rather crippled. Note though, 12 hours after a hit DR will be 35% decayed away, as opposed to 0% now, so while some stacking will make DR higher, the decay starts immediately to make DR lower. If land totals do get crippled then qz could always tweak the half-life down a bit the next set.

UGLY.... i am getting farmed hard!

Yeah, one of my many regrets this set is that I didn't get a chance to farm you. I kept waiting for you to come out of DR and next thing I know you are in humanitarians :(((

I was a maths major as well, and I dont really like seeing these stuffs anymore. totally hate it now

Is it going to be getting harder to play this game without DR calculating tools and spreadsheets? Simple is better, just leave it alone.

+10

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Ugly, waiting to see what the tide will bring tomorrow :-)

Running out of jets, food, and oil... redx, toss some supplies into the server man!

So its him hiding all the food and oil????

/me points missiles at Red X

I gave you some jets today. They'll be hitting in about 2hours. I haven't supplied jets to the market in a while. Been all turrets.

You're welcome!

SWEET.....I need lotsa jets.

Well buy them already... Lol. Nobody bought my reasonably priced jets yet!

And here guys are saying there's none available.

bad

was hoping someone would double tap me by now

what the hell is wrong with primary?

lol

Quit getting grabbed, DaVe! :p

I DECIDED TO START SELLING JETS RIGHT AROUND THE SAME TIME YOU DID. LOOKS LIKE WE WEREN'T THE ONLY TWO.