Do your offensive allies contribute units that are then applied to your weapons tech and PS strength? For example is the formula (your units + allies units *.25)*1.5*offensive tech * govt bonus? or do their units not get the multipliers?

Attacking Power SS (proper with allies) =TroopAtt2+JetAtt2+TankAtt2
TroopAtt2 =1*Min(2*Troops@Home,Troops@Home+AlliesTroops@Home/4)*GvtAtt*WeapTech%*@War?
JetAtt2 =2*Min(2*Jets@Home,Jets@Home+AlliesJets@Home/4)*GvtAtt*WeapTech%*@War?
TankAtt2 =4*Min(2*Tanks@Home,Tanks@Home+AlliesTanks@Home/4)*GvtAtt*WeapTech%*@War?

GvtAtt
Normal 1
Dict 1.25
Rep 0.9
Declaring War ( @War? )
War NOT declared 1
War DECLARED 1.1
old formula
I think it's still the same.

so according to that if your ally has no weapons tech but you do, his jets are more powerful fighting for you. And I am guessing a PS is similar in that your allies jets fight 50% harder.

Thanks!

That's not what qz said on this other thread.

http://forums.earthempires.com/...is-o-ally-strength-calc-d

As I said those are old formulas From 2025.
According to QZs post that Mapleson referred to, allies units do not get your gvt bonus or tech bonus. He doesn't mention the @ war bonus.
Strange though, that the spreadsheet I have with those formulas has qz, & slag written all over it. Maybe they decided to change things up a bit.

why wouldn't it get changed from earth2025 to ee?

Not saying they shouldn't ... just that I hadn't seen the other thread. But now I suppose I need to rework the formulas on my spreadsheet. Good thing I've been all-x since ee started.
LOL

I think I can explain what's missing here, bear with me ;)

your weapons tech affects only the "maximum allied support you can receive", it does not improve teh effectiveness of that allied support. Govt bonus is the same.

e.g. you send 100 jets and your ally has 1000 jets, no weap or govt bonus. your ally will support with 25% of their available mil, or 100% of your attack strength, whichever limit is reached first (so 100% of your attack). So equiv to double... your total attack equivalent is then 200 jets.

in teh same scenario, if you have 150% weap bonus, but otherwise the same conditions, your allied support maximum limit will be calculated after weap tech is applied (your attack strength, rather than mil numbers sent)

as you can't take 25% of his mil again, you receive 2 x your total attack strength, so 1.5 (weap) x 100 (jets sent) x 2 (max allied support) = 300 jets.


in the event that e.g. your ally had 100 jets too, both examples would be limited by the 25% support first, so in each case he would send 25 jets (your own attack strength would still be increased by the weap tech, so the examples would give 125 first, then 175)

so, unless your ally has enough mil to more than double your attack strength, I dont belive weapons tech or govt will affect the allied support.

Thanks afaik! I think that's what was described by reading through these the link provided by Mapleson, but you provided a great summary. Unfortunately I was able to test a couple scenarios last set (by bouncing a couple attacks).

On a separate note, do all of you find that offensive allies are advantageous? I tend to avoid them.

if your off allies are landgrabbers then you wil find many times that you won't get help from allies and your jets are vanished.

and if your an mbr the buggers will wipe out your tanks

that too.