Let us discuss how it will affect the game. Here is my opinion (tailored for alliance server):

Early set: Any small demo can quickly max mil tech and then buy any food under $39 on public for a profit. So cost of food will quickly be above $40 on public within a day or two of oop. Those small countries (it could be a start to get max mil tech while still trying to keep decent size/CS etc by turn 100 ish) could make oodles of cash early. Then you will have market at 39/40 for a long time, b/c so many farmers now sell on private market early set, and they will now be forced to sell on public. Early demand is very low for food, so really a majority of the bushels will be being bought at 39 (or even 38) by some nice guy who is running demo with max mil tech. Such a guy may again make a huge profit...

Mid Set: Once serious stocking starts and demand for food does rise above supply, the price will go above the 39$ price floor you have now established. But with farmer guaranteed such a high NW with $39 floor I think more people will have to go farmer these days. Or in other words, if the ratio of techer/farmer/casher/indy stayed the same, farmer would dominate, so I think there would be way more farmers, so thus the peak in food, which is fueled by cashers/indy's stocking would be less high than it is currently. A current average peak is about 65. I think it would be possible to see no more than 55 as a high now. This really messes up a BSS type strat and early destock techers who place well b/c they destock at 50-60 when others destock at 32. Now they destock at 40-50 when others destock at 39. Ouch heh...so that strat is basically dead. Meaning that if you go techer you either switch to casher/farmer mid set or you tech all set long as nobody has incentive to jump early with such a high price floor and low price peak for bushels.

End Set: Basically everyone will still dump bushels on public as you jump either as theo or demo. DEMO if you have MBs you sell on public, if you don't you sell on your own private. Theo you sell on public.

it should rise bushels at public but we'll see.

wow SR is truly dead. A new change and nobody will discuss it!

The whole concept of strategy discussion outside of your close friends is flawed because it gives a competitive advantage (or at least removes yours) to others.

wow that is a truly sad opinion...

I miss the good ole days when people posted pages of discussion on strategies... or even just random math problems.

Since Bobby had problems with this one a few days ago...

2 + 2 = X

Find the value of X

It is a pretty bleak point of view, but realistically...

Realistically you weren't reading SR seven years ago like I was!

Things were different seven year ago. Things are much better connected now than they used to be. If someone posted something intelligent and novel here it would be in every alliance's website in a few hours =P

Ok, let's test that.

I doubt someone from every alliance reads SR every few hours these days.

Even when the board was busy(ish) it was surprising how much good info you could get that did give you an advantage because most people didnt read it, or didn't pass the information on to others.

I learned a lot from the old Strat board. Now I check it once in a while because a) I'm really bored or b) I'm drunk, like now

player can get helpful info on sr but last months of earth2025 it was mostly used for posting results from primary and tournies.

I think the casher strat will get an unexpected boost from this, possibly even more so than farmers. We shall see on that though.

I agree with the techer analysis, though military tech will be in high demand all set so it is a pretty constant demand for them to sell with.

Why would casher get a boost? Increased food expenses? Same as ever military and bus/res prices? If anything bus/res prices will go up from people teching military instead of bus/res...

My speculations and only speculations: (i'm no top10 player)

Farmer's only benefit is a better growth income to gain tech advantage. Destocking doesn't make a difference as everyone benefits from the rise in the floor price. I don't really see how this will allow farmer to "dominate", better yes, maybe closer to being on par with the others. Maybe that was the intention of the rise in the floor price?

Bushel peak should be higher 32-55ish will become like 39-65ish. Not much difference just a shift in the numbers 32 destock on 32-55 should be pretty much the same as a 39-65ish. Think about it.

I also think this really helps indies more. So easy for the market to get saturated and commies end up practically unplayable. With military tech though, they can keep up sales and at least play turns, a big benefit to the indies more than anything.

The whole reselling thing could be neat, a dedicated strat for someone with lots of time on their hands to make a killing.

I think if enough people shift over to farmer, techers might take a slight hit as you've explained Bobby.

The bigger change I see as is with the new round would be the 2bil limit removal. Opens up a whole new arena of wealth creation.

okay, flame away :P

I am thinking about it but don't see this increasing the bushel peak. It will increase the base food price thus food expenses for other strats increase by about 20%. That decreases the amount of money to be spent on stock. Assuming the same ratio of strats as is roughly standard then the amount of money to spent on stock should technically decrease. Production should be about the same (although this increased base price might encourage more farmers than usual which would actually lead towards a market saturation) so the amount of bushels on the market should still be governed by how is being spent on stock to drive the prices up. Thus I expect the peak to be about the same as usual, if not lower. This will equate to a lower loss on stock (ie buying at 55 and selling at 39 instead of 32) which should help non-farmers.

I think this also helps farmers by not making a decision regarding whether or not to buy military tech. Now farmers don't have to worry about killing their private market prices by getting military tech which reduces expenses all set, provides flexibility in destocking and depending on bushel prices it will increase their income (although clearly if prices are $41+ for most of the set then most farmers won't see an income bonus by selling private). This basically still makes military a secondary tech now as it only requires one demo with maxed military tech to keep prices at $38+


If people stock up on military tech then their private market buy price decreases, which effectively caps public market military sell prices. Likewise indies have huge food expenses which will increase by 20% now. It's not like their private market sell prices will rise to the point of being able to raise the public market floor so this only hurts indies.



Certainly the daily income of farmers will increase but having less techers will just make tech prices even higher -> techers are more profitable. If more people start buying military tech then that will just delay the decline of tech prices.



For demos this technically makes it possible to not have your stock decline in value. If you sell your entire stock every day you lose nothing to commissions and can reinvest however you like. If you sell all your stock at the peak of $60 say then you login and prices are $59, if you can buy and sell your entire stock at $59 you have maintained the cash value of your stock. If prices are dropping very rapidly it could be difficult to buy out your stock at a price that you will be able to sell at again but basically you can walk your stock down by maintaining cash value through increasing bushels. Clearly stocking earlier has become unbelievably valuable as you can dump your entire stock at bushel peak and then destock without the market degrading your stock value. This of course will lead to a lower bushel peak and quicker crash which will likely lead to more bimodal bushel peak sets.

Techers are hurt by the decreased margin in bushel prices. At least in the short run. I don't think buying 30% of ones stock under 38$ and selling it for over $50 can be offset by an increased demand in military tech

Detmer, you said it yourself that you think the bushel peak will be lower. How does everyone stock? Farmers grow their food and stock it, meaning they will not benefit in stocking terms very much, yes they will some due to not needing to sell as much daily. Techers will probably lose out on the lower bushel peak due to them destocking around the peak. Cashers are the ones that output is about the same, but need to spend much less to stock with a lower peak. Then they go and sell at higher prices at the end of the set. Farmers and Cashers get a boost, but I think cashers may have it better.

play one and tell us

Yes, the farmers will have higher "playing" income but will be hurt by the stocking. I suppose that is a fair point that with increased income they will max techs sooner and thus stock sooner which in turn will decrease their output to market sooner.

Realistically strat balance will be the ultimate decider of what the market does.

so far food's price is what it is normally at start of set (alliance).

I noticed on team that the prices stayed pretty similar in the beginning, probably because not everyone knew about the change, but then increased to $39+ as max mil tech demos were making profit.

same at alliance.

hi everybody!

hi trep

very interesting reading everyone's thoughts on mil tech changes. i've never been a top 10 alliance netter, so i don't have much say in what will happen end game, but does seem to help demos at the onset and if they play smart, should finish very well.

MBR and theo will suffer a bit as mbases and gov 'bonus' will still drop floor price. so max mil tech will compete with mbase dropping price.

so far all farmers have benefitted on food price rising quickly to 39+.

why would theo suffer zarcon?

the floor is now 38-39 for theos as well, because the demos will always buy their bushels on public market..

or reps with standing order.

pretty much nailed it set 1.

so far i've seen bushels vary at ffa from 37 to 90 after couple weeks.

FFA is wayyyyy different than the other servers. I would have no idea what happens there...the server has never interested me. If you want to discuss FFA I'd suggest another thread. I do think any of the other one country per player servers are close enough in general dynamics to alliance that we can discuss them here..

alliance its been rarely under 39 after it wentr up there and highest has been 50-60.

don't think it's been over 50 in alliance

51 was the highest I saw. With 50 being the top average before climbing down. Which totally shoots down what I thought would happen :P

it might have peaked at 60 but only very short time.

more farmers this set i think

Yeah, lots of farmer/war countries this set may have skewed the numbers slightly.

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Dem/Cash is way to go

why demo casher? due tech bonus?

keep everything as liquid as possible
run very low land and mil
play the food, oil, and tech markets carefully


I just like going through all my stock each day and never have anything on hand that makes me an attractive target.

THe market makes this game until they advance teh attack mod

I'd rather rep->cash switch to demo later.

de+restock as demo?

Pretty much what legion said, work the markets to keep value on the stock, but the early game I'd prefer the rep: the bonuses to explore and pci is pretty boss in the early game.

Once good tech levels are reached with a minimal stockpile to start working the market, then I'd switch, continue as demo and destock as demo, make profits late game clearing market.

That's how I would do it, mind you, I'm a pretty avg netgainer, I have no idea how well it would work, but in theory, it should be awesome.