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bore Game profile

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Apr 25th 2010, 15:47:43

i'm making a status tidy for posting ingame status on these and other non-html public boards, so players can get advice. it will remove some info and round off some numbers, both to anonymize the countries and make it easier to read.

the question is: what info from the ingame advisor do you need to be able to give advice? (or perhaps easier, what don't you need?)

the work-in-progress : http://eestats.com/statustidy

bore Game profile

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Apr 25th 2010, 15:49:29

example

------    Basic Info     ------
Government Theocracy
Networth $23,000,000
Land 100,000
Money $800,000

------ Land Distribution ------
Enterprise Zones 0
Residences 0
Industrial Complexes 400
Military Bases 0
Research Labs 0
Farms 0
Oil Rigs 1,000
Construction Sites 200
Unused Lands 0

------ Technology ------
Military 200,000
Medical 6
Business 100,000
Residential 100,000
Agricultural 300,000
Warfare 20,000
Military Strategy 2
Weapons 80,000
Industrial 400
Spy 2
SDI 70,000

------ Economics ------
Tax Revenues $1,000,000
Tax Rate 35
Per Capita Income $20
Expenses $1,000,000
Military Expenses $1,000,000
Alliance/GDI $90,000
Land Expenses $100,000
Net Income $70,000

------ Production ------
Food 1,000,000
Production 0
Consumption 10,000
Net Change -10,000
Oil 500,000

------ Military ------
Spies 20,000
Troops 2,000
Jets 300,000
Turrets 300,000
Tanks 20,000

Edited By: bore on Apr 25th 2010, 16:02:27

mazooka Game profile

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Apr 26th 2010, 13:33:40


Enterprise Zones 0
Residences 0
Industrial Complexes (25%)
Military Bases 0
Research Labs 0
Farms 0
Oil Rigs (63%)
Construction Sites (12%)
Unused Lands 0





Slagpit Game profile

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Apr 27th 2010, 19:39:10

Similar to what maz said, I'd do the following:

government
land (rounded to thousands)
cash (rounded to millions)
cs (exact)
all other buildings (rounded to percents)
tech (percentages)
tax rate
food (rounded to thousands)
oil (rounded to thousands)
military (rounded to thousands)

bore Game profile

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Apr 27th 2010, 22:09:44

right now i have the same rounding for all numbers, where everything over 100 is rounded to the closest most significant digit, so:

42 is 42
420 goes to 400
3750 goes to 4000
44907 goes to 40000
etc

i think this should scale ok for all numbers, and keep the important small ones intact, like tax rate?

what of the info posted above is not needed to give advice? pci? maybe the whole economics bit except tax rate? production?

if i have 90% farms, you know that i produce food, and can tell that i lack agri tech. do you need to know my production? etc etc.

deepcode Game profile

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Apr 27th 2010, 22:15:56

You could cut out the specifics of taxes, expenses and production, just stick with total income, expenses, produce, leave out the consumption, land upkeep, alliance costs, etc.

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Apr 27th 2010, 23:16:32

hrmm intestesting
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Patience Game profile

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Apr 30th 2010, 2:35:42

Very cool idea. :)
I cannot see your signature - so if it's witty, put it in a post instead! :p

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iolair Game profile

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Sep 1st 2010, 1:21:14

bore I like that rounding since it works for small as well as large countries. Using Slagpit's rounding it would say 0 for too many numbers if the country was smallish. I was thinking what if the NW is <1m or the cash is small then you get 0's

instead of CS how about BPT that's what you really need though people just figure it out themselves.

Like the % for buildings and tech

Economics only need tax rate and net income
(need to know if they are +/- $/turn .. maybe in a % )

Alliance/gdi (really used to tell if they have allies so can prob ommit if they just tell you or the cleaner says 0 or some % of nw)

production only need net change
(really same as net income if someone really wanted to know it they could figure it out from the land etc.)
nothing to see here ... move along

qzjul Game profile

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Sep 26th 2010, 21:23:48

keep going with this ? :)
Finally did the signature thing.

NOW3P Game profile

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Sep 27th 2010, 2:27:47

Perhaps you could make different outputs for different strats?

Just as a few rough examples (because I don't have the brain cells left to think much harder about it right now):

For someone running a farmer strat, provide outputs for bushels/turn, but remove this output for non farmer strats.

Or output actual tech #'s for techers, while only providing %'s for non techers.

Or output units produced/turn for indies, but skip this with other strats.


You could simply click a radio button to choose which report you want generated, or choose a full report depending on your needs.

I'm sure there's a long list of different additions/subtractions from the final report for each strat type, many of which could be really handy teaching tools. I know it would be a lot of work, and would probably be an afterthought to getting a unified tidy going, but I figured I throw it out there anyways.

afaik Game profile

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Sep 27th 2010, 18:13:33

how about giving the user the option, but with warnings for the newer players to avoid mistaken disclosure?

e.g. a radio button for each stat on your advisor page (edit: I mean once pasted into eestats), rounded as previously described, plus add a "5% randomise" button next to each to add a random variable on request. it could even be displayed as the advisor page with the interface buttons overlayed next to it.

it would have to be opt in for everything, but you could have a "recommended" button that shows just the minimum few outputs for each govt type/strat, with +/-5% randomisation on all stats under this heading by default.

this way you give complete user control but with some protection for new players built in. it is anonymised by rounding plus the randomisation factor on request.

might be too heavy on the setup for bore though ;)

also, still doesn't feel anonymous enough to me even with the rounding etc.

Edited By: afaik on Sep 27th 2010, 18:15:41
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aponic Game profile

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Oct 7th 2010, 3:46:12

I find the original layout bore presented to be the best. you could cut out production rates since they are easily determined by looking at the tech levels. changing things to percentages just makes it difficult to read
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