I'm noticing in the recent past a lot of people stay Rep for their destock.

Why wouldn't you go Theo no mbr?

if sells bushels on priv then as theo price would suck so would need to sell on public and get less money than rep on priv and if still cashes turns then income as theo would be much lower than as rep and nw lost on changing govt on last days of set is quite a big.

Why not cash turns as a Rep and build stock. With 2 days left sell everything on public and convert to Theo.

You'd ideally get decent price for your bushels, and get much lower PM prices than what you'll get on public.

If you stay Rep, you could buyout your PM but you should have a ton more cash to spend on public. Are public prices usually pretty low at end of set?

My understanding is that the switch to Monarchy comsumes the usual "revolution" penalty, but then another switch to theo does not, allowing for the switch->sell->switch->buy.

Vic, that is true.

However, i'm not going to Monoarchy.

I'm talking going from Rep Casher > Theo (for destock)

He means time to convert you go to monarchy first enabling a confirmed sell price of 35 dollars once you have sold with no penalty you switch to Theo
As 35 is like a sale of 37 on public
Not cost effective to buy tech on certain acres depending on stock to get to 35 from 34

But a monarchy sale is how I always go as it's guaranteed funds
At time you want not waiting to sell 200m bushels or more

you lose 14%+ of everything and you can only put 25% of everything sellable on market so 1st you'd need to spend money on bushels and then put bushels (leave enuf to survive few turns) and 25% of military and techs on market and then switch to mono/theo and then recall everything and if you switch to theo then put bushels on sale on public market (pm price +6%) and then wait that those sell and start restocking when those are sold. ideal switch from govt x to theo would be 0 military but that's not possible.

if you stay as rep you would have higher pm prices but also more money to be spent on military.

Yeh question is you stocking bushels or cash as that makes the difference although bushels so low this set to stock bushels won't have a negative impact really

14% of 2b is alot cash.

if gets 30-33 bucks bushels enuf to spend money in hand then money lost when selling those isn't that high compared to 35-36 bucks bushels and late set only 35 or under bucks bushels sell for sure, 36 needs some luck..

kingme: for your destock you want to sell off of the public market AFTER you switch to theo?

you lose the same 14% switching from rep to theo as you would from rep to monarchy. why wouldn't you want to switch to mono first and then theo from there with all your cash on hand, after selling at 35 while a monarchy?

Cash out with Rep Casher. Build up stock. With two days left sell stock, max military, max tech on market (all at stupid high prices except bushels). Then convert to Theo with goods on market.

Bushels will sell (not getting hit with 14% hit from govt change) and i'll recall my other goods. Then I have a PM to buyout repeatedly until set end.

I'm just curious why that doesn't work.

depending on what the food price is at the time, you might make less than 35 dollars per bushel. if you can sell for 38 then do it, but with 2.22 going to uncle sam, so to speak, 37 loses you money that you would otherwise have made selling off the private- and as far as i can tell, you don't incur any less of a loss during any government changes to off set the loss of potential income.

unless i am missing something?

i'm not sure if i made much sense there, also ;p

Keep drinking!

sober since the twenty third. you clearly don't follow me on twitter or instagram :(

oh. my bad.

Twitter drives me nuts. I used to use it a lot when I was writing more football stuff.

There is a tendency by certain player/s who use this strat to stage buyouts on the food/oil market on the last day of the set to enhance their finishes. Coordination only applies to ingame news, not to market buyouts, so they can involve whoever they want to. Netting on this server is a complete joke.

Kingme, my understanding is that the Theo destock is not as effective on Team because it has to be done in a very short time, and the acre values are typically not high enough on team to benefit from the private market replenishment. Plus, pub prices stay below even theo private prices until pretty late.

Remember, you can only put 25% of your mil on market, even if you (as you should in any gov switch) send all of your mil out on a PS, you still lose 14% of 75% of your turrets, 14% of 75% of your tech, and 14% of your buildings. Then you are trying to recover those losses in 48 hours by reselling from your private market, which on team is only going to be profitable over your pub market for about one day.

If you go back and look at Team winners, they generally have not done a gov-switch to destock. If they want to do a Theo or Demo destock, they have generally run a Demo or Theo wire to wire.

Feel like a newb
Never considered sending stuff out on a ps but with new rules grabbing causes higher losses so is there any benefit?

Not sure, but if you could arrange to do it with another Theo converter and both get ghost acres . . .

I've won 3 out of the last 5 sets on Team Server as a Rep Casher (I have a couple of other wins as rep casher too) and I never converted to Theo in any of those sets so it isn't necessarily "a lot of people", it's just me and a couple other players.

In Alliance, a Theo Jump definitely makes sense because your keep your nw low and your land is high because you can rely on tag protection. In alliance, you would usually also have a very large stockpile because you have 1000+ more turns.

Here are some quick reasons why I don't Theo destock:
- I don't like stocking :P
- if you have a decent amount of land, you will have a decent amount of military to defend it, thus meaning you are probably already 20-30 mil nw.
- you cannot rely on low military + tag protection very well (due to top feeders)
- conversions at larger networths take out more than 14% of your total nw
- if you do a theo jump, you lose out cashing on those turns (2 days = 48 hours = 192 turns)
- if you have enough land/tech, you can continue cashing out even at 70-80 mil nw and still make surplus.
- If you had enough stock to make it worth while to convert, you probably don't have enough land
- if you PS everything out prior to conversion, someone can AB/GS you into the ground

The reasoning behind not converting is very similar as to why most people don't change governments in Primary at the end of set. :P

Hope this helps! :)

its only 14% under a certain NW threshold. after that threshold it goes up

ingle, you make great points. so much so you converted me (HA PUN INTENDED) to your reasoning. however, your last bullet point is not true because the tanks would be recalled while a mono and then no loss to theo with them home

goddammit ingle what the fluff. you're still a griefer

braden, if you sell on market and recall, it's true you'll have some tanks to stop ABs. But if you PS out everything (as per suggestions in this thread), it leaves you quite vulnerable to retals or other hits.

There are also other small minor reasons too - like cashing out your last played turns @ 70% tax with a PCI boom...<3), being able to spend turns to help other clan members, being able to resell military if there is a buyout, etc... Lots of tips/tricks to squeeze out a little bit more nw!

yes but for that you also immediately buy out your private and again are flush with tanks.

i agree that your way is better- and will do it- im just sayin is all :)

you know i always defer to ska ;)

Hmm, I was originally planning to do it your way ingle, and someone who shall remain nameless convinced me I should switch. Now I am back on the other side. Then again, after I got abd I basically stopped getting land, so I don't have enough lol

agree with ingle on this one.. theo destock switch is just not worth it here in team server . tried a theo destock before and ended up having lower NWs compared to those who go straight REP destock.. in alliance , you have lots of tag protection and lots of fat players to choose from for suiciders.. here there are like 3-4 obvious fat countries only and people can take advantage of you on your destock , ie ABing you , missiling you (theo lowers SDI %) , killing u..

Still viable to do a theo destock in team server.

Rep-Theo
http://www.eestats.com/team/oldcountry/436/51

Facist-Theo
http://www.eestats.com/team/oldcountry/425/104

The thing is on 40k land you generate nearly 6 to 75 on private tho so you can play until last day on massive acres and then jump
Did you gran after you jumped for those acres for PM or you picked them up as you went?

Why wouldn't you go ->mon(sell)->theo? It gets you ~17% more NW for your stock (15% cheaper military).

That means $10B (let's assume for ease of math) in stock effectively becomes $11.7B. With a two day rep destock (pretty average I think), maybe you're still in the green after you make your initial jump when you begin destocking, but it won't be nearly significant enough to make up for the $1.7B you could have had.

This will indeed prolong your destock by 17%, but that''s *maybe* 40 turns worth of production lost. Still, it doesn't make up for the 17% gain. In fact, in this scenario you could be cashing $40M a turn for those 40 turns, and it would still make financial sense to switch.

Just an update... I went with my gut.

I went Theo Destock.

I'd be interested to compare with any cashers that go a different route (ie Rep Destock)

Do a couple of 70 percent tax booms on good acres you might make close to 100m for the 4 turns as
On 35k your before expenses cash should be around 20m
So boom x3 and double tax should give you that 100m

save bonus for 3 to 4 days can't remember how long they last and you could make over a billion in 20 turns

3 days (starting at midnight gametime).

after my switch i had 11bil dollars and before was 10.5mil nw and after was 9.3mil nw

Are you going to have enough time to destock fully on PM?

i will not, no :(

I didn't think so. :(

One of those points is 100% incorrect. I really can't tell you which one, because I thought Laf was already aware of it. If they aren't, then that would explain why Evo has better avgnw usually, and I don't want to give away the secret....

I'll just take this time to point out that the clan with 4 Theo destocks is currently leading in both average and total networth.

- I don't like stocking :P

That's the point that is 100% incorrect!

I gave away the secrets!

oh so you are around, can you respond to my appeal or forum messages by any chance, any mod will do :(