would u rather it be a group pact. or a single tag pact.. seems that people on that DNH list probably like the fact the "war people" arent hitting them.. instead of getting a pact from 2 out of 3 or 4 tags and worrying about those other 2 tags wanting to hit them? but that has been discussed as well (seperate DNH lists)

If there's 3 or 4 war tags, people should need to pact with all 3 or 4, yes. Why not?

so doing it as a group is easier and safer for the netting tags no?

Groups aren't allowed

groups arent allowed to kill in co-ordination. those are the posted rules

yeah. group pacts are easier. plus we're all friends so we let bolty decide what to do. =P

lol

Before you get all burn the witch on me, I haven't been home all weekend. I didn't pull the trigger, although I support their decision.

Whether it was you or someone else, look into it and consider whether it makes sense. Someone was deleted for special attacking a guy who 4x grabbed him. Should that really be barred?

there is a reason the appeal simply reads as follows

2014-03-20 19:30:15 PS Gummy Bears on Crack (#121) RED STORM (#1) fluffSex 261A (379A)
2014-03-20 19:29:34 PS Gummy Bears on Crack (#121) RED STORM (#1) fluffSex 379A (562A)
2014-03-20 19:29:09 PS Gummy Bears on Crack (#121) RED STORM (#1) fluffSex 572A (795A)
2014-03-20 07:18:00 PS Gummy Bears on Crack (#121) RED STORM (#1) fluffSex 470A (617A)

I feel very bad for evolution in current and future sets especially for unwarranted actions like this and before the high and mighty wand u mods swing at times starts waving. Remember if u can and will delete people across servers for actions on 1 server. Remember they can take it across servers themselves personally

Look at this classy fella, threatening an alliance cross-server because he's not allowed to break the rules and spirit of Team

I truly am shocked but maybe I shouldn't be that, on being told Team is meant for 5 person teams, like it was designed for, Boltar didn't gracefully step back and run a 5-man team.

Stubbornly trying to continue running a large alliance, while grilling the mods on what's allowed so he knows what he can get away with, and then threatening an entire alliance cross-server, is completely shameful. What's your deal Boltar? Why is being a fluff on Team server so important to you? You can't stand to have that be taken away from you, that's why you warred ETFT for 6 months until they all quit and that's why whatever the hell you're doing now. Grow up

Are you really threatening to attack my alliance based on actions that a mod took on Team server? There are so many things wrong with your statement that I don't know where to begin...

I pretty much specifically warned Elves not to do this. I repeated my warning to you in ee chat as well.

What is the point of joining in a killrun on a country that grabbed you? There is no way to get the land back at that point, and someone else is already taking care of the situation for you. So what's the point? You get to feel better and have your revenge, and that's about it. If I were truly running a 5-man tag, I'd be glad that someone else is taking care of it and I don't have to...

No I ain't threatening I openly tell people where I play on all servers.

If that was the case I wouldn't be doing a 5 vs 5 now would I?

Well, to be honest, ive lost my sympathy for these guys after reading the latest posts. i do think, though, that a team should be allowed to kill a player that 4x tapped them, regardless of who else has attacked that country. you don't see a reason why they might want to do that? if elves was a completely unrelated country then deleting him would be really messed up. like i said though, im losing any sympathy i had for them... the fact that TSO is still trying to quietly run a big alliance and that they're all still tagged up as 'sex' does muddy the waters and add an extra layer to everything they do.

Do you think I forgot you were just posting about how you were making pacts for all the tags earlier up the page?

or that I forgot this?

+100. Now you know how it feels. You thought you had power, right?

martians' the one who's said if you want game changes made then the answer is to hit evo!

why do the mods not let tags choose their own retal policy in this server? are we blaming the victim here? it's elves' fault he got landgrabbed? HE SHOULD'VE KNOWN BETTA! most alliances in other servers would kill over a quadtap.

OMG you guys whine more than those ETFT netgaining babies.

You dirt bags are now paying your debts to the server for wronging everyone. Just keep getting deleted you dirty fluffes :)

Just another case of biased mods. I think we need new mods, just keep warster and red. Tella is shady as fluff. He isn't even on alliance and he is still doing everything to help evo and his precious netters out.

Superfly if someone grabbed you four times would you be pissed if you got deleted for attacking them in return?


Keep up the trolling and ill gs every tso tag from your tag so everyone can hit us...

Tella said he didn't do this. So that means it was probably Red X

Loving all the intelligence coming from TSO. Since tella didn't do this, when can you fkrs start eating crow???

After I finish eating your mom :)

actually i want to see what the mods would do if you do that. =P

I have been deleted in express for ABing someone who multi-tapped me just because someone else was ABing him at the same time that I hit and I have also been deleted for finishing off a guy that has multi tapped me because someone has started the kill run an hour before.

I also appealed both times and it was rejected by the express mods so I don't feel bad for your friends at TSO.
BTW, considering how you play in MODs with me why does their deletion bother you so much; Our team name is The Mods Will Delete TSO and that is what has happend....

I think since everything has to be black and white on these boards, what these fools need is for us to do this:

Imagine the following conversation took place on these boards:

Boltar: We declare war on Gummy Bear for the topfeed. Please put both on DNH.
elves: Oh. Hi Boltar. We want to kill that too for the quad tap it made on my country. Can we also hit? We will run our warchat after yours.
Boltar: Sure, if it's okay with the mods.

(wait 5 days)

Mods: Okay, I don't see why not.
elves and Boltar: Yippee!

I like that when someone runs out to 9k acres on 1m net, and gets hit by another 1m net country, it's universally considered a "topfeed" and not a fat country getting popped.

Anyway, anything TSO does needs extra scrutiny. I still think it's suspect that qzjulsex tag went after this guy for one hit. I think they really went after him because of his other hits on other sex tags.

ANYWAY, THOUGH, next post

Coordination rules should be so simple and easy to understand for everyone. I've been assuring people they have nothing to be afraid of regarding these rules and that it's common sense stuff. Basically, are you attacking a country for reasons involving your own country/tag? Or are you attacking this country for the benefit of someone else? Simple as that.

*This is how I've understood coordination rules to work for months under galleri, martian, etc. Very clear and easy.*

This deletion contradicts all that. Red X/tellarion seem to be operating under "first ones to hit this country got dibs!" I don't understand that, as it's rather illogical and that's not how it's worked in the past.

elves was hit 4 times by this country. Why should he not be allowed to hit back? Tella asks "what's the point," well, how about the fact that the country was still alive and elves was 4x tapped and wants it dead! Isn't that a good justification? As long as it's not actively coordinated with the other hits, people have the right to their revenge. Telling people they're not allowed to hit back people who hit them is just... where did this thinking come from? Why is that restriction necessary? Again, I quote this post:

I do actually agree blid, if I read your post right. The rules need be somewhat simple and understandable. Instead of people having to bug a mod over and over again.

I see TSO actually trying to play by the rules, but the rules are not really set in stone.

I am in the qzjulsex tag, and thought it was justified that we hit because that country topfed us, but he also quad tapped elves. We didn't get deleted, but elves did? Where is the justification in that?

actually from reading martians stickied topic, it would have been red x and warster who did it considering it takes 2 mods. good job throwing them under the bus tella. I don't care who did it as long as this gets reversed.

if I can't defend myself here, you might want to start defending yourselves a bit more on other servers :)

O_O

I have nothing to do with this, thx

that's kinda funny after martian said it takes 2 to make the deletion call...

My issue with not being able to retaliate goes back to my original point against suiciders. If someone suicides on 3 or 4 tags, and one tag starts killing it, the others aren't allowed to join in? They just have to sit there and watch their countries get ruined without a chance to do anything about it? This rule will destroy this server for netting for everyone, if that's how the new rules are implemented.

I'm not even sure if I should care, since it actually sounds like a lot of fun to be a suicider in that situation, and netting on a server with 100 people is meaningless to me. For the sake of the netting tags who have treated TSO with respect though, this rule makes absolutely no sense.

When he said 2 mods he didn't mean 2 team mods, he meant 2 mods regardless of server have to agree .
You can always pm me if you want my opinion

This is why I want to be a mod for this server. So I can delete all your asses and you all can come suicide my alliance :-) Fair enough?

for the record I have *never* advocated attacking any tag real or imagined (since retiring from the game that is).

Suiciding on tags in alliance is not a good way to go about things.

Also it has to be two *team* mods that agree (of course I reserve the power of veto:P).
I'm also not going to comment on deletions on this thread.

I wouldn't mind them suiciding my FFA alliances... we are in dire need of targets :(

And crest, you would make the worst mod. You are biased as fluff :)

Twiz, evo members play in many many tags in team, including tso.

Elves, I'm not throwing anyone under the bus. I clearly stated that I supported this decision, but apparently you all feel the need to attack me over it. Very mature.

You delete any of them yet?

so its red x and tella. glad it's cleared. =P

as for proof of coordination, i think if there was a spy op from elves to check the break before he hit, it'd be proof against coordination. you can even call it a coincidence, or news camping. but if say elves hit straight after Qz and didn't need a spy op, even passing the last break onto him would be coordination. If that's what the deletion is about.

elves deserves to strike back, but if deletion was for coordination, this is starting to make sense.

so the determinant factor is: did elves or anyone else in fluffSex do a spy op on Gummy Bear?

Disclaimer: However, as a war vet, I can estimate a break by then would be less than 5k after all those hits.

I hope it was something like that hsifreta. Disappointed that mods declined to reply to my post as now I have no freaking clue what the rules are or what coordination is anymore.

The mods don't either. They are making biased decisions and deletions without explanation. Looks like I'll be saying "I told you so" sooner rather than later :-(

On the other hand, is suiciding on multiple tags a legit netgaining tactic now? Do you know how easy it is to wall against 5 countries?

Hmmmmm

I feel bad for anyone deleted incorrectly, as I believe this case is, same as your two cases. If that is the stance of the mods, then it is bullfluff to think you cant attack anyone back who farms you, its an absurd rule.

Superfly knows i really wouldnt do that to him lol, it was a baseless threat, I would never break the trust of a wogger. Only people like KC and boltar :P