Does GDI work similar in Alliance?

No, in Alliance humanitarians are 1/12 and x12 country networth. GDI works to reduce this range to 1/2 and x2, but can be bypassed by declaring war.

Special attacks and ops are not prevented.

There is your evidence that Primary and Alliance have different mechanics and shouldn't be governed by sweeping changed brought about by Alliance.

What's the deal with this Land of Asia clown, #102? He's lobbing missiles back and forth with a guy who ROR'd but in between tossing missiles at this guy he's at war with, he's doing giant spoiler top feeds. Why fluff with random people when you're in a war?

HAHAHA ok here it is:

Message from pinafore (#214) sent on Apr 23, 2:32
My grab: 130A(283A) 21/3/13
Your grab: 6500A(9563A) 18/4/13

Did you really expect me to let that slide, LATC?

I don't have much interest in engaging in another boring war with a mediocre player so don't expect a wholehearted effort from me.
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Message from pinafore (#214) sent on Apr 24, 2:22
I did not bother with tanks because I made a few false assumptions:

A) all players are rational; and
B) players will operate in the best interest of their country.

Alas, I did not account for the following:

C) rules A and B become void in certain minority cases where, for whatever reason, an individual's motives fall outside the realm of rational thinking.

Fun fact: rule C is the reason why bad things happen in real life!
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My response:
A) all players are rational; and
B) players will operate in the best interest of their country.

I was doing both. Given GDI rules, by retalling you as a fat commie with low D was in the best interest of my country. Getting 10k acres for losing a few hundred early seems pretty rational to me. Retalling you a 2nd time for even more land while being able to flatten you right after and prevent you from doing much in retalliation is also rational and in the best interest of my country. Also, if I'm mediocre, you're just an awful player. If you're pindippy from last round, then seeing your actions both rounds indicate you fail to grasp that this is also a wargame. This will happen to you EVERY reset until you understand how to play both sides of this game. This isn't alliance server, no free netting here.

Oh and ironically you fail B. If you understand how GDI works, you understand that hitting me a 2nd time is not in your best interest, especially doing so with 0 tanks. Did you HONESETLY think that I or anyone else wouldn't unload on you with 0 tanks?

Oh wow, you destroyed 43k buildings in that load of ABs.

yeah.. I mean.. did he honestly think I wouldn't do anything??????? He knows who I am so he obvs reads these boards.. I even stated I would fight for my right to retal when I wanted.. and yet he still bought no tanks/SDI before or after the grab

That's weird that he reads the forum and is a big talker in game, because whoever he is he's not a big talker on here.

Hey Azn, thanks for the topfeed.

You are welcome.

P.S. I hope you publicly apologize to me as well when you clear this up since my response to you wasn't sufficient.

Wait you don't mean me right? You mean land of asia?

I thought this was supposed to be a civil server.. Damn it people, quit fluffing things up! :(

I mean Land of Asia. And I mean the player who's forum handle is "Azn" (and not the person called AzNiZe). You (LATC) should avoid calling yourself azn.

I don't know whether I should count myself lucky for getting my retal in MINUTES before he was deleted, because getting topfed isn't lucky by any stretch of imagination.

@OMA I'm sorry you lost 1, maybe even 2 tech allies.

They are all gone pretty much. One self deletes after getting into a war and top-feeding you. The other is in a big war. And the Third seems to have already made his jump and stopped Teching. Oh well, I only have another day left of Teching myself before I gear up for the fireworks show.

What fireworks show?

@OMA He was mod deleted. Not self-deleted.

Oh.. Well then he must have been doing some stuff I was not aware of. Gotta obey them rules!


@Rob - Had a country I never hit before decide that ~$800million of my cash was really supposed to be his via spy ops. Figured I would give him the whole show even if it costs me an extra billion in lost revenue (tech prices took a dump).

Corruption bonus seems pretty risky to me if you're not a dictator, with the way spy ops work right now.

Hell, most of this was stolen when I had roughly ~$2.3billion on hand. Except for last night when he caught me with ~$4billion after my tech sold off. It probably would of happened with or without the corruption bonus.

Last set they were stealing my tech instead of bombing banks. Truthfully this current guy probably could of gotten more cash in the long run by stealing my tech and selling it. And since there is no way for me to protect against that, I am fluffing out of luck anyway.

Difference is this set was not a good Techer set. I am not going to finish very well. Ignoring the Bombing of Banks, the whole point of going corruption bonus was to avoid the food spike. But the food spike never happened anyway, making the whole investment a bad one in the first place. Can't always predict what the market is going to do, it was a gamble I lost.

So, tossing an extra billion on the loss pile and lighting it up like the 4th of July sounds like fun way to end this set from my view anyway.

AzN = AzNiZe as far as I've always belived, he switched from the first to the second.

I'm thinking we won't see a >100m top 10 this set. Anyone thinking the same?

I still think we will. Not so easy to say this time but I think so. It depends on some of the 59k commies, and those lower dict cashers (#52, #5, maybe #14). I think it's not that hard for cashers to make 100m in this reset.

I'm curious what #102 was deleted for. And I'd think 100M top 10 again this set.

I believe it's because he messaged one of his top feed victims that it was a "retal" for a hit on an ally and got busted for cooperation. The ally got reinstated because he said it had nothing to do with him, he didn't ask for it to be done.

Ok. Gotcha.

#102 sucks!

What does tech auto sell at on primary?

It would be nice to have I think but there's no auto sell in primary like in express.

I think there might be one actually. Could be $500? Next time one of y'all does a tech sale find some tech you don't have any of like Medical tech and sell a point of it and see.

What would the message it gives be? Would it sell immediately or as a Standing Order maybe when the goods hit the market?

Tech autosells at $500 on Primary (and Alliance).

Oh :)
thanks for correcting me, I really didnt know that.

I hereby publicly apologize to you Crest.

Thanks for the help!

lol this guy.. I can't tell if he's overly arrogant or just stupid:


Message from pinafore (#214) sent on Apr 25, 3:15
Good to know my daily dose of spy ops are protecting your best interests, lol. Also, those 5/19 successful attacks/ops today were a good effort and definitely not mediocre. :)

Your (I assume) mock-seriousness and seemingly frantic attempt to defend your actions (whether right or wrong) has proven rather entertaining... I do appreciate that your were humble enough to share that publicly.

Also, sorry for exposing your mediocrity - this really seems to have 'rustled your bushels'! Lol. :D
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Message from pinafore (#214) sent on Apr 26, 6:29
protips:
1) Use that money to buy SDI
2) Stop using missiles (though the 13/14 failed attempts today did make me smile!)
3) Cash your turns (instead of eating losses from ~30 turns of attack/spy failures)
4) Buy more of mil/bus/res techs if you have some $ left over after buying SDI
5) Put bonus points into food booms
6) Create a status report thread for more thorough tips next set (highly recommended, assuming you are relatively new)
7) Try to beat your top finish (rank 17) and feel proud of what you have done!
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I sent him soome protips too, but really to most ppl its just common sense..
1. Buy tanks if you're going to double tap
2. Don't double tap while on GDI

I don't think he realizes that destroying someone in a reset makes me more satisfied than finishing top 10. I wonder if this is mr tits.. kinda talks like him.. though I would like to think tits is a much better player than this guy..

No, he would have told you that he was going to win with 200 m networth, but chose to teach you a lesson instead.

agreed.

At this point I would think cashers or demos should be buying the tech before the market does.

talk has been a bit dead this set...

Not much to say, fluffty tech set. Nice Casher set. Damn all the thieves..

It appears that the average price of food is rising...I guess it makes sense as the techers have all sold off their stock now.

If Redstone or Primary Cause are playing their cards right the extra $4/$5 per bushel can put them in the top 5. Which is impressive considering this has largely been a poor farming set.

It looks like Redstone has been selling every day (probably decay bonus) would make the most sense. So he is definitely benefiting from this uptick.

Actually, tech was still better than most sets in recent times. Looking back a full year, that's the last six sets, tech prices this set were better than four of them, and food prices this set were lower than four of them.

But the tech prices clearly weren't high enough to compete with cashers. This is one of the worst indy sets ever and I don't think we'll see any techers competing with the top indy either.

ingle got 108m with a fascist farmer and I got 106m with a demo farmer in a weaker food set than this one. If a farmer can get 110m, do you think that's enough to put them top 5? I don't really think so but scores don't look that high this round.

I think that you will see at least 3 commies and 2 cashers finish $110M or better. But I think that the farmers can do better than $110M also. After those 7 I think there will be 1 indy and 1 Dict/casher >$100M and 10th place will be < $100M.

Note: I have only spied the indy's.

The top dict will probably be 120m at least. I think the fascist farmer will finish <100m. The dem farmer maybe higher. Three commies over 110m? I guess that must mean you're calculating your finish above 110m.

Laughter Slaughter 152m
Perfectz 149m
Fruit Passion 122m
G 121m
Planetary 112m
Swamp Guardians 111m
primary cause 110m

Actually I beg to differ. I took a quick look at the past 8 set's tech prices (business tech for comparison) and here's what I found: (format will be set, price on day 10/20/30/40/50/55/food peak/top techer nw)

this set - 2500/2250/2000/1600/850/750/$44 from day 40-47/??
Mar'13 - 3200/3150/1950/2000/1950/950/>$70 from day 36-43/135.2m
Jan'13 - 2800/2450/2000/1450/1150/700/$60 from day 43-45/101.6m
Nov'12 - 2600/2100/1700/1600/1450/950/$50 on day 48/105.4m
Sep'12 - 2250/2600/2450/1600/1400/1050/>$40 from day 35 to 50/113.8m
Jul'12 - 3000/2250/1800/1900/1100/750/$45 on day 47/101.5m
May'12 - 2000/1950/1550/1500/1450/950/$55 on day 44/100.5m
Mar'12 - 2500/2500/2400/2050/2350/1500/>$60 from day 38-45/126m
Jan'12 - 2200/2050/1900/1300/900/1250/$51 on day 43/76.4m

The important phases for a techer are (approximates only):
a) day 1 to day 35 or so (grabbing phase)
b) day 35 to about day 55 (stocking phase)
c) day 55 to the end (destocking and reselling phase)

I will agree that the grabbing phase tech prices were not too bad this set, but still lower than average. 5 of the sets shown above had better prices.

The stocking phase is what matters for a techer. If you just sum up the day 40/50/55 prices in the table above, you will notice this set's prices were the worst of the lot. Jan'13 and Jan'12 had comparable stocking period prices but they were compensated by higher food peaks ($60 in Jan'13 and $51 for Jan'12), which a techer can leverage on to make profits by selling down (most bushels would have been bought in the low $40s on average and to sell at $60 means a profit of 40-50%).

So I would say, this is a pretty sucky tech set.

Are you kidding? The higher food prices go the more net techers stand to lose destocking. Every single techer last set got boned by the $70 food peak, it is NOT a good thing. At most one techer can get out near the peak and probably not even that.

Secondly, that looks like a lot of work getting the biz price on all those different dates but those are only reflective of those days and can be misleading. In fact, they are. You show a day 50 price of $850 this set, which is very low, but you don't show a day 45 price, at which time prices were still >$1500, a very significant difference.

I think the numbers here: http://www.eestats.com/primary/serverstats
really tell you what you need to know, better, imo, than what you're trying to do. If this set was worse than all those other sets then how did the average come out better than the majority? Average really covers it all pretty well. The most tech is sold during the stocking phase, so stocking phase prices impact the average the most. Prices at day 55 are near irrelevant, amount sold per day by that point has dropped back to the a quantity that was being sold in the first month (a period which is also more important than this garbage sale period).

So yeah, I disagree all around.

Guess I will add in the day 35/45 stats as well.

this set - 2500/2250/2000/1900/1600/1500/850/750/$44 from day 40-47/??
Mar'13 - 3200/3150/1950/1800/2000/2150/1950/950/>$70 from day 36-43/135.2m
Jan'13 - 2800/2450/2000/1600/1450/1450/1150/700/$60 from day 43-45/101.6m
Nov'12 - 2600/2100/1700/1500/1600/1550/1450/950/$50 on day 48/105.4m
Sep'12 - 2250/2600/2450/1950/1600/1750/1400/1050/>$40 from day 35 to 50/113.8m
Jul'12 - 3000/2250/1800/1600/1900/1600/1100/750/$45 on day 47/101.5m
May'12 - 2000/1950/1550/1650/1500/1700/1450/950/$55 on day 44/100.5m
Mar'12 - 2500/2500/2400/2000/2050/2300/2350/1500/>$60 from day 38-45/126m
Jan'12 - 2200/2050/1900/1600/1300/1000/900/1250/$51 on day 43/76.4m

So if you average out day 35/40/45/50 prices for the past 8 sets, this set's prices were like I said in my earlier post, comparable to Jan'13 and Jan'12, with Jan'13 5% lower and Jan'12 15% lower. Jan'12 won the worst tech set award since the top techer only finished 76.4m. So that leaves Jan'13 where the top techer finished with 101.6m. Difference between the 2 sets was the food prices.

I will disagree with your comment that higher food prices hurt techers. There are many ways to get around it, just ask OMA what he did last set. You could also have gone decay and not be worried about that (in which case, a higher food price is better for you). Even if you didn't catch the peak (which I usually do), you won't be making much of a loss. You would have bought all your food below the peak. Averaging it out, you would still have been able to break even at worst if you knew how to price your destock even after you miss the peak. Greed is usually what kills techer, they price the food too high after the crash started and had to recall and put them up again. A few recalls later, they are probably going to sell for a loss.

Er, my point wasn't to add more days on there. If you're "averaging out" all those different dates, why not just look at the average price for the set? I wrote why I thought the average price makes sense to use as a benchmark; what's wrong with the average price? How are you increasing accuracy by averaging 8 different dates?

And YOU ask OMA what he did last set: he took *massive* losses, that's what. Why do you think he went corruption bonuses this set? Because he was trying to make an adjustment after all the money he lost on food last round. Good to hear *you* "always catch the peak." Funny, because you were the same one that was saying I sold too early last set, and Andrew sold too early the set before, meaning if you were teching either of those sets you would not have been first out and would thus have missed the peak and been caught holding food during the crash.

I appreciate being told I do not "know how to price the destock," but once the crash begins, one literally can't dump fast enough, and I do mean literally can NOT do it, because if I have several hundred million bushels, and am not being "greedy" as you call it, and thus price low, all that accomplishes is a faster rate of crash. My several hundred million bushels is as much as the server will eat in an entire day, and the next person with their several hundred million bushels to sell will be undercutting me promptly, especially when they see how fast prices are falling.

You are telling me how well you'd do it, how you never miss a peak, how I did it wrong, and how great terrible food prices are for people that need to stock food, but I actually recall you only teching once on Primary, and you switched to a reseller I believe.

The average is indicative (and I'm not denying anything) but what I want to know is the average price during the stocking phase which is from day 35 onwards to about day 50. I admit my method's not accurate as well, but it's the only way (at least without spending too much effort) to get the numbers I want to know.

OMA didn't buy any food last set, unless he wasn't telling me the whole story. He was plain reselling tech all the way.

When I spoke about catching the peak, I meant as a techer. I've caught the peak most of the times as techer in all the servers I've played, not just primary. I've only played it once in primary about 1.5 yrs ago and that was an experiment (I stopped grabbing at 20k and like you said, I switched to a MBR and went PM size bonus all the way to see how it would turn out. I believe I did catch that set's peak).

Also, fyi, you can't compare how the different strategies try to catch food peak (and by catching food peak, I'm saying destocking at the peak). There was no peak for me to catch last set and the set before. I had no stock to speak of at the peak, so how do I catch the peak? I was merely complaining that you guys crashed the market too early, and I wasn't able to start stockpiling with the peak food price since I went decay.

Both Blid and myself did the same thing last set. We were able to mitigate some of the damage of the food spike by making a profit turning as much cheap tech as we could find. However we both got hit pretty hard by the food prices crash because we still had to spend a lot of money on food to avoid the corruption while teching/reselling (thought I made that clear, sorry). We didn't sit on it, we resold it, made more profit, and had orders up for more cheap tech. But whatever those orders didn't spend above 2Bil had to be spent on food stock to avoid corruption.

I think both Blid and myself mentioned to each other that if we didn't have to take such a large hit on food price we could of finished around 150mil networth. This is what led me to try out the corruption bonus this set, but food prices never spiked so I would of been much better off with extra turns this time. Can't predict what the market is going to do, I lost this gamble.

My reasoning for saying its bad tech set has to do with the amount of undercutting I saw and how fast the prices crashed in the last few weeks. From $1500-850 hit me hard because I was trying to accelerate my tech sales at this point to get ready for an early jump. I guess others had the same idea, because prices nose dived hard. The only bushels I stocked this set were to avoid getting my money stolen..

Is it just the Techers getting fluffed with or are the Indies, Farmers and Cashers getting it too? I know last set tech thievery was rampant. This set it was all bomb banks that on me.


Edit#[??]: For the record I like Oldman's layout. Prices laid out over a time frame do more to explain things in my head than total averages over the set. But then again I guess it all depends on what you are looking for in the data.

Edit#[???]: I believe Blid is correct in that if you have a sizable food stock, putting it all on the market at once isn't a great idea. If you dump ~400+million bushels on the market for the asking price or more, chances are pretty good you are not going to sell it all off that day. You are not the only supplier of food and many others will undercut your price as soon as your food hits the market. This starts a chain reaction with people who have been stocking food. When prices start going down they not only stop buying, but dump too and try to get out. With all of this extra food on the market, nobody is selling out immediately and may have to repeatedly recall and price lower. So then what was the point of dumping it all at once? IMO, this is as Oldman put it, a Greed issue. I don't think its the price though, but rather the quantity of bushels they put up at once. They want to sell off their stock for the best price and they think the best is now. But just because you put it on the market doesn't mean it is going to get sold. You have to look at how much QUANTITY is being purchased daily and try not to flood the market. If nobody realizes you are dumping stock slowly as the first one, then they are more likely to keep buying and hold onto their own stock until they feel its their own time to sell off.